#51 sam1987

Mar 03, 2012 9:27am

MrsBeaver1974 wrote

I have a absolutely beautiful white male with one brown spot on his left ear he is 70lbs 3 year old let me tell u a story and u tell me how SUPOSEDLY SICKLY these fantastic dogs are about a year ago he was on his chain minding his own business and a pit came in my back yard and attacked him on his chain took him to the vet he had five puss pockets in his neck had five tubes running out of his neck 60 stitches running down his left shoulder a tooth broke off at the jaw bone stitches on the bottom of one of his paws vet said he was lucky to still be alive in this prosess we also found out he had adult heart worms and baby heart worms so after he got well enough from the pit attack he went thru a 6 week heart worm treatment and he is still just as strong well behaved great awesome dog he is back out side on a chain and happy as he can be non aggressive and now I have a six month old flashy fawn female and just as soon as she gets old enough him and her will produce great healthy beautiful puppy's its stupid that ppl say the bad things about white boxers they are awesome in my eyes really I think ppl need to consontrate on the fact that pit are killing our kids and our dogs but there more worried about us breeding our white boxers sorry if I affended anyone :x



i just wanted to say that is so sad about your little boy that he would get attacked like that and wish that people would take responsability for there pets and not let them wonder into other peoples property i think its lovely your going to breed your white boxer they are deffinatly under rated x

#52 Paul

Mar 06, 2012 2:10pm

sam1987 wrote

hi i have a white boxer male and a red bitch (and previously owned a brindle but he sadly passed away at age 18 ) i hope my question doesnt upset to many people but i would like to breed from my boxers once (they are both fully healthy and this is not something i am taking lightly) but can anybody tell me if i was to do this would the puppies be able to be kc registered dog is registered with ikc and bitch is registered with kc thank you in advance for your help



Wow 18 years old, that's pretty phenominal Sam :) That's very special to have had a boxer that long. I'm sorry it had to end.

I'm afraid I don't have an answer to your question. In fact i've removed myself from all this breeding discussion as I know too little and can't be bothered with the contensions it's caused.

So I would only be guessing if I told you what I think but maybe someone else knows. :)

Good luck,

Paul

#53 sam1987

Mar 06, 2012 2:42pm

Paul wrote

sam1987 wrote

hi i have a white boxer male and a red bitch (and previously owned a brindle but he sadly passed away at age 18 ) i hope my question doesnt upset to many people but i would like to breed from my boxers once (they are both fully healthy and this is not something i am taking lightly) but can anybody tell me if i was to do this would the puppies be able to be kc registered dog is registered with ikc and bitch is registered with kc thank you in advance for your help



Wow 18 years old, that's pretty phenominal Sam :) That's very special to have had a boxer that long. I'm sorry it had to end.

I'm afraid I don't have an answer to your question. In fact i've removed myself from all this breeding discussion as I know too little and can't be bothered with the contensions it's caused.

So I would only be guessing if I told you what I think but maybe someone else knows. :)

Good luck,

Paul



thank you for your reply yeah 18 was a great age he was a fantastic dog more like my baby than my dog :-)

#54 Sara

Mar 18, 2012 6:12am

Unless you are a registered breeder with the Boxer's Association, you should not even think about breeding a boxer, there are way too many 'puppy farms' out there and I'm sure you don't want to be one of them...
I have 2 boxers, 1 fawn and white who we bought from a registered breeder and 1 deaf white girl who we rescued from a shelter. I would never 'buy or breed' a white boxer pup, due to all of the comorbidities that are associated with them... Go to the Boxers Association website for more details as to why they don't allow their registered breeders to breed white pups and to read their suggestions on why you SHOULDN'T buy white boxers. :)

#55 white_boxers_angel

Mar 18, 2012 7:01pm

yall ppl that are against breeding white boxer pee me off im serious if dogs had rights it would be racial just because ur boxer is white dont mean he cant hear or he is deaf or he is going to get cancer just because there white the first thing ppl starting screaming nutter nutter but guess what i have a white male and a flashy fawn female and im breeding them and guess what nobody will tell me not to or i cant unless you have a court order and i have papers on mom and dad and paper my puppies and there beautiful pups and none of the ppl i have sold any of them to has complained or said anything about deaf blind or got cancer its due to poor breeding yall just against white boxers i have had ppl come back to get second and third pups now u watch they see a reverse brindle or black and white very rare they will jump up and down i wish i could be a mouth for white boxers cause id call yall PREJUDICE

#56 whiteboxers

Mar 22, 2012 10:39pm

ive got a white boxer named bruno and he's the best looking boxer ive seen around, lol hes got 15 generations of show dog champs in him, his build and posture is great, people always comment on him when were out and it is a shame he ca't be shown, but one thing ive noticed in white boxers is there size, they tend to be bigger than other boxers, bruno is the biggest boxer ive seen

#57 sam1987

Mar 26, 2012 8:18am

Sara wrote

Unless you are a registered breeder with the Boxer's Association, you should not even think about breeding a boxer, there are way too many 'puppy farms' out there and I'm sure you don't want to be one of them...
I have 2 boxers, 1 fawn and white who we bought from a registered breeder and 1 deaf white girl who we rescued from a shelter. I would never 'buy or breed' a white boxer pup, due to all of the comorbidities that are associated with them... Go to the Boxers Association website for more details as to why they don't allow their registered breeders to breed white pups and to read their suggestions on why you SHOULDN'T buy white boxers. :)




im not a novice to breeding dogs my family have been breeding dogs for many years i have been brought up with breeding and showing dogs all my life the reason i was asking is the breeding of white boxers is new to me and the fact that hes white doesnt bother me im sure there are many boxers that arnt white that have problems but they aint noted because they aint white it is possible for a white boxer to be healthy and make a great dad

#58 Etjus

Apr 28, 2012 5:55pm

drev00 wrote

I am an owner and breeder of boxers and i agree that white boxers make perfect pets (as do brindles and red) BUT, white boxers carry defected genes which is not always a problem but this defect can cause blindness and deafness, and they are more proned to cancer breeding with boxers in general is not something to be taken lightly especially white 1's. Cardiomyopathy and aortic stenosis are common in boxers this if not detected can be passed on and drastically reduced the lifespan and is not a nice way for a suffering pet to live. It is almost a 100% certainty that breeding with a white dog or bitch you will get at least 1 out of the litter that has problems if bitch and dog are white then more!! The heart problem is the most serious and effects all coloured boxers and the only way to detect the problems is to have your pet heart scored if you dont how do you know you are not putting your pups in danger of having fatal heart problems in later life caused by studding your pet, and if breeding with a bitch a pregnancy could kill your pet!!!! I lost my 1st dog through a heart defect and trust me its heartbreaking and not nice watching your beloved animal collapse daily wondering if hes going to get up again. Be responsible and think very carefully of the consequences not only of your pet but of future pet owners if you are going to breed regardless at least make sure the bitch is heart scored at a specialists vets as heart problems in boxers is far too common due to irresponsible and incorrest breeding. The kennel club are working hard to reduce the rate but if people are going to breed anyway they are fighting a losing battle!!


I read your post and just because you had problems doesn't mean that will always happen. I happen to own a male white boxer who is as health as another boxer. I asked if he is more prone to problems that regular boxers get and he said absolutely not. Only if they are albino. The myth that white boxers can be born deaf or blind isn't completely true. Again it's the albino boxers that have that problem. You really need to get your facts straight before you post something that isn't completely true to every white boxer. People come here to get advice and then they read what some people put on here and get scared off. Both white and fawn ,brindle have a chance to have problems. They all have an equal chance. All boxers are equal with exception to albino. So report what is fact not speculation.

#59 Etjus

Apr 28, 2012 5:59pm

drev00 wrote

I am an owner and breeder of boxers and i agree that white boxers make perfect pets (as do brindles and red) BUT, white boxers carry defected genes which is not always a problem but this defect can cause blindness and deafness, and they are more proned to cancer breeding with boxers in general is not something to be taken lightly especially white 1's. Cardiomyopathy and aortic stenosis are common in boxers this if not detected can be passed on and drastically reduced the lifespan and is not a nice way for a suffering pet to live. It is almost a 100% certainty that breeding with a white dog or bitch you will get at least 1 out of the litter that has problems if bitch and dog are white then more!! The heart problem is the most serious and effects all coloured boxers and the only way to detect the problems is to have your pet heart scored if you dont how do you know you are not putting your pups in danger of having fatal heart problems in later life caused by studding your pet, and if breeding with a bitch a pregnancy could kill your pet!!!! I lost my 1st dog through a heart defect and trust me its heartbreaking and not nice watching your beloved animal collapse daily wondering if hes going to get up again. Be responsible and think very carefully of the consequences not only of your pet but of future pet owners if you are going to breed regardless at least make sure the bitch is heart scored at a specialists vets as heart problems in boxers is far too common due to irresponsible and incorrest breeding. The kennel club are working hard to reduce the rate but if people are going to breed anyway they are fighting a losing battle!!


While your answer is correct it's only part correct, the problems you stated with white boxers is only a problem with albinos not white boxers. White fawn adm brindle are the same, with the obvious exception. They are all born healthy. The only time you need to worry is when you have an albino. The only defect they have is the gene that creates color. The other things you stated are myths for non albinos.

#60 upurs

Jul 04, 2012 8:11pm

I.never had trouble out of my white girl. I had a brindle girl that had catoracts in both eyes and died very young. Came from double champs also. So.put that in ur pipe and smoke it. Breed more white boxers that are healthy and promote the white boxer breed. If ur dogs healthy why wouldn't u get good healthy jeans?

#63 Apen3

Sep 03, 2012 3:52am

Our family got a beautiful white boxer baby in July! Her name is Aspen. She's super smart, loving, loyal, and wonderful with my 3 small kiddos. Aggressive no, playful YES! But learning the rules quickly. It's sad that white boxers are still looked at differently but not at our house. We couldn't be happier. She is an amazing edition to our family. Looking forward to many years with her!!!

#64 Pre-Vet Student

Oct 21, 2012 5:17pm

It is common in any white animal to be more prone to deafness and blindness, but it's not a proven FACT. Breeding a white boxer is just like breeding any other animal, if you want to be a quality breeder, test your bitch and stud for heath issues, feed your female right while pregnant and test and vaccinate your puppies.
I have a white boxer that my fiance and I have been breeding and he, as well as his children, have been perfectly healthy for many generations.

#65 White boxer lover

Nov 09, 2012 5:41am

Paul wrote

Hello JoAnne! :)

I have a beautiful pure white boxer female, she is very calm for a boxer and very well mannered. I would love to breed her because her disposition is so lovely. She is perfectly healthy according to two different vets. My fawn boxer has a heart issue that is monitored, and she can be very stubborn. Both dogs are from the same breeder different studs, and where raised together. I love them both, but I must say my little white is the nicer dog.

#66 Miraenda

Nov 25, 2012 4:45pm

Wow, I periodically (which more means infrequently) hop over here from Jasidog and read something or look at some of the photos. Never had a dog, but I think from time to time about getting one. Never sure the breed. Definitely not wanting a small yippy dog (I'm sure you all know what kind of dogs I mean there). Whenever someone loves dogs this much to devote a site, it's certainly a possibility for me to someday get a Boxer. I've thought also about Border Collies, but those are really going to require having a very large yard.

This discussion is surprising to me that it's so heated. I had no idea about these colors mattering so much. I also mainly thought the purpose of breeding dogs would be to show or for papers. Otherwise, I wouldn't call it breeding, but simply letting your dogs have a litter like cats. Since I'm from the cat world, and have had a cat or cats my entire life, I'm just used to cats sometimes having a litter before being fixed. So long as you find the kittens homes, you don't really know if that cat (not a purebreed) will have kittens with complications.

Yes, you should be responsible. If your dog is currently ill or has a defect, you probably shouldn't let the dog become pregnant or breed with another dog. Sure, the dog might be the greatest one in the world and having a pregnancy can be really wonderful for any animal. That doesn't mean it is humane and caring.

There are so many cats and dogs without homes. I don't understand why people wouldn't go find another dog in a shelter rather than produce more unless you are actually a dog breeder for your profession. Sure, I could decide I'd like to sell fish that I catch. If I sell fish that I catch and I don't know what I'm doing, I might end up causing someone to be ill or die. I didn't intend for that to happen, but I'm not a professional fisherwoman, so I wouldn't be savvy in all that's needed to properly sell fish to people. In my opinion, you shouldn't be breeding animals if you don't know what you are doing. All purebred animals have a high incidence of specific genetic disorders. I don't think it matters so much about the dog being white versus the fact you are breeding and aren't actually qualified if this is something you just decided to do one day and haven't actually researched it, planned it, thought it out, spent time and money on setting up a business, and intend to do it for your standard living. Otherwise, just find a shelter animal. I'm not sure it has to be a Boxer or even a dog, but give the love you have for your current Boxer and increase it by getting another animal who really needs your love and attention.

#67 Paul

Nov 30, 2012 10:31pm

Hey Miraenda!

Nice to see you in the murky depths of one of the most heated topics since Israel/Palestine.

Apparently.

Of course it is emotive because we are talking about people's beloved pets. In general though I agree with you. Breeding should be left to professionals and adopting a dog that needs a home if at all possible is best.

As far as whether white boxers should be bred. I'm fine with it if it's not particularly genetically harmful but I don't know enough so I stay out of this argument.

As for getting a boxer one day of course you should. Well I'd certainly recommend it but you'd expect no less would you? Other people do make websites about other types of dog mind you. :D

Still all the usual prerequisites apply when finding out whether a dog suits you and your situation.

Nice to see you down here! :)

Paul

Last edit by Paul on Dec 02, 2012 3:54am.

#68 jessiegurlfor2010

Dec 02, 2012 12:21am

Hello I have a white boxer that my dad wants to neuter and before I do that I would like to breed. I live in Pueblo, Colorado and my email is jessiegurlfor2010@yahoo.com

#69 Paul

Dec 02, 2012 3:58am

Hi Jessie,

just making a statement or was there something you're trying to talk about or get an opinion on?

I think Colorado would be nice this time of year, warmer. :D

#70 Bboyar

Jan 15, 2013 12:40am

I have NEVER THOUGHT about breading any dog until my Charlie. He is the smarted do I have ever had. Learned to sit, speak, shake, give me 10 (2 paws) play dead, roll over and speak when asked "who do you love". He is wicked smart and I can't imagine not having him. I found this site because he's so amazing, I can't see not giving someone part of something so amazing. He is all white, from a reverse brindle litter, the only white pup and it perfect at 2 years. Not hyper, doesn't even need a leash. I could have programmed a better dog. My daughter is 8 and is by her side always. He has NO KNOWN issues. He never smells dirty, he can see and hear. He has blue eyes and a black nose. No patches. I would love to bread him. I just don't know of any bitches would want my handsome AMAZING guy ;)

#71 EStroud10

Apr 10, 2013 3:28am

I am the owner of a full white female boxer. She is my first boxer but my boyfriend has been around boxers his whole life. She is 5 months old and she is perfectly healthy and very playful! We have seen her bloodline and her grandmother was a full white boxer, her mother was fancy and her father was regular fawn so I see no reason in why I shouldn't breed her with another brindle/ fawn/ black/ fancy boxer. I plan on breeding her only a couple of times, if that.

#72 Boxerlove

Jun 05, 2013 11:24pm

Don't get it! That's like saying fair colored skin should not be breed. I have had 3 Boxers over last 15 years. I have a white male right now in perfect health. I would breed for the love of boxers. I also think its about the man above not the color. Are polar bears blind or death, they are pure white. Maybe it's people that believe everything online. Are these vets writing in with numbers on their patients?

#73 shell

Jun 20, 2013 11:16am

claire carr wrote

I HAD WHITE BOXERS WHEN I WERE LITTLE AND I THINK THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.I NOW HAVE A WHITE STUD WITH A BRINDLE PATCH ON HIS LEG AND A WHITE BITCH WITH A BRINDLE PATCH ON HER RIGHT EYE.BRUNO HAS 20 CHAMPIONS IN HIS BLOODLINES AND SHYNER HAS 21 CHAMPIONS IN HER BLOODLINES.I THINK ITS WRONG THAT THEY CANNOT COMPETE IN THE CRUSTS OR BE SHOW DOGS,MY BABYS ARE BEUTIFULL DOGS,GREAT PEDIGREES AND PERFECT FAMILY COMPANIONS.I THINK THAT IF MORE PEOPLE BREED WHITE PUPPYS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE WHITE BOXERS THEN MAYBE THEY WOULD BE ACCEPTED.

#74 UCD Grad

Jun 29, 2013 7:48pm

White Boxes can be born of colored parents, who are white factored. Basically have the gene for it. However on the DNA chain, the color gene is tied to the hearing gene. White, boxer hair is not a color. It is a defectived colored gene, and if you look into the DNA, without the defect they would be fawn colored. Boxers with white markings covering more than one-third of their coat conventionally called "white" Boxers are not rare; approximately 2025% of all Boxers born are white. They are not considered albino because albinos do not have any pigment and lack color on all parts of the body. Like fair-skinned humans, white Boxers have a higher risk of sunburn and associated skin cancers than colored Boxers. The extreme piebald gene, which is responsible for white markings in Boxers, is linked to congenital sensorineural deafness in dogs. It is estimated that about 18% of white Boxers born of two white parents are deaf in one or both ears. In the past, breeders often euthanized white puppies at birth; today, most breeders place white puppies in pet homes with spay/neuter agreements. White Boxers are disqualified from conformation showing by the breed standard, although in 2010, the German Boxer Club opened up an exhibition-only conformation class for white Boxers. They are prohibited from breeding by every national Boxer club in the world, but can compete in non-conformation events such as obedience and agility, and like their colored counterparts do quite well as service and therapy dogs. No one should be breeding their dogs unless they have done the genetic screening specific to their breed, so they are not producing puppies with health issues. I've heard people say they will be placing the puppies and not have to pay the life time of vet bills. Is that really fair to the puppy? The fact that 18 % are born deaf, why take the chance. Some states now have laws, including California, that if you breed a puppy with a health issue, you will be paying the owner of the dog their vet bills, or replacing the puppy. Something to think about.

#75 Ehee10

Jul 23, 2013 9:38pm

Well I have to say for one the majority of people are contradicting them selfs. "I don't understand why akc don't accept white boxers yet balling how they shouldn't be bred" ... The fact of the matter is there are small minded people who just say no to white boxers. Personally my white boxer is the joy in my life. She has had all tests and is healthy enough to be bred. (Heart scoring etc) she is not all white she has a red ear and tail and bum but more that 1/3 of her is white so is disregarded for kc. Yet on the other hand I have a red boxer boy with black mask white tbar 4 white paws he too is also healthy and is kc registered. Both of my boxer babes are a perfect example of the breed. No I am not a "back yard breeder" I am a responsible dog owner who has tested both dogs before considering breeding. Personally I am not planning on breeding them for money I truly believe my dogs are a fantastic example of the breed and would be proud to hand my pups over to happy families who I will vet and make sure they are right for the dog. 8 weeks of being around each pup and spending almost all day with them you know their personalities and what dog would be best suited I.e the largest most hyper pup I personally wouldn't put to a home with a family with a child under 2 because it can be stressful and these days more and more dogs are put into shelters and that is the easiest option out for new parents of boxers & toddlers. I wouldn't say my plans are unethical at all. My life has always revolved around boxers and I will not let some do gooder tell me any different. If you are a responsible enough breeder go through what should be compulsory testing as long as all is clear I see no reason why you cannot breed your white boxer. I have to say one thing I do agree on is wether you dog is simply deaf or has a heart problem I would never and you should never consider breeding. Apart from the fact it is not fair on the dog itself those pups could have been avoided and although they make just as great pets the majority of time people do not have the patience or time to train a deaf pup which is harder than a regular dog and how anyone can say its not is ridiculous.